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So let me get this straight. Nazis have a horrible ideology and so they are worse than the people out in the streets bashing people over the head with bikelocks, setting cars on fire, looting stores, and (allegedly) stabbing people for wrongthink?
In other words beliefs are more important than actions?



Well, 1) They do have a terrible ideology. They wish genocide upon certain groups of people, among many other bad beliefs and values, and 2) Erm, well, one of them did do an ISIS-style attack against 20 people, as you know.
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The_Red_Spectre wrote:

Communism at least has a noble premise in theory whereas nazism is just destructive and racist from the moment of its conception,.


idk real nazis were pretty diverse


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As I do know. But putting them in a position of greater immorality to the point that they should be the only ones condemned legitimizes the violence on the other side. I am of the opinion that words are greater than actions and if two groups commit THE SAME CRIME, they should receive the same punishment. It's not illegal to be nazi, it is illegal to assault or kill people.
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The_Red_Spectre wrote:

Communism at least has a noble premise in theory whereas nazism is just destructive and racist from the moment of its conception,.







The Nazis hated more than Jews. That black kid in the photo was probably rounded up with Jewish kids. That swastika is probably photo-shopped in.
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The Nazis hated black people. That black kid in the photo was probably rounded up with Jewish kids. That swastika is probably photo-shopped in.



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I have to agree with this one. The nazis would not have even allowed black people to be among their ranks unless they were rooting out other blacks. Which I kind of doubt this kid was doing.
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Dubnoman wrote:



The Nazis hated black people. That black kid in the photo was probably rounded up with Jewish kids. That swastika is probably photo-shopped in.







Blacks faced discrimination and oppression in nazi Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_black_people_in_Nazi_Germany


Furthermore, for 'neo-nazis', who are relevant today, they:


Neo-Nazi groups share a hatred for Jews and a love for Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. While they also hate other minorities, gays and lesbians and even sometimes Christians, they perceive "the Jew" as their cardinal enemy, and trace social problems to a Jewish conspiracy that supposedly controls governments, financial institutions and the media.


https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/neo-nazi

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Dubnoman wrote:




Blacks faced discrimination and oppression in nazi Germany.




So pretty much just like in America at the time.

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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:




Blacks faced discrimination and oppression in nazi Germany.




So pretty much just like in America at the time.




Oh God, America has been awful to them throughout so much of our history.


But I thought your point was "the nazis thought they were A-Ok" but they were considered sub-humans by the Germans and treated unequally.
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http://www.dw.com/en/the-fate-of-blacks-in-nazi-germany/a-5065360-1
So I looked it up and the picture isn't fake. The caption reads "Afro-German Hans J. Massaquoi tried to join the Nazi youth". But let's not forget that at the 1936 Summer Olympics "Hitler was said to be furious that a member of a “primitive” race had become the man of the moment." http://www.express.co.uk/news/history/672717/Jesse-Owens-black-American-runner-Nazi-Olympics
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http://www.dw.com/en/the-fate-of-blacks-in-nazi-germany/a-5065360-1
So I looked it up and the picture isn't fake. The caption reads "Afro-German Hans J. Massaquoi tried to join the Nazi youth". But let's not forget that at the 1936 Summer Olympics "Hitler was said to be furious that a member of a “primitive” race had become the man of the moment." http://www.express.co.uk/news/history/672717/Jesse-Owens-black-American-runner-Nazi-Olympics




He tried to join but they probably didn't accept him in. The Germans saw blacks as inferior. Some didn't like them. Some hated them, I'm sure.
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Yeah I noticed that too. Keyword "tried".
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A lot of alternative accounts in this thread lol
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How can you tell?
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Interesting

He was often shunned, but miraculously escaped Nazi persecution. This duality remained a key theme throughout his early life until he witnessed racism as practized in colonial Africa and later in Jim Crow USA.

That's kind of hilarious. Nazi Germany wasn't as bad as Jim Crow USA for him.


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A few months before completing school, Massaquoi was required to go to a government-run job center where his assigned vocational counselor was Herr von Vett, a member of the SS. Upon seeing the "telltale black SS insignia of dual lightning bolts in the lapel of his civilian suit",[3] Massaquoi expected humiliation. Instead, he was surprised when he was greeted with "a friendly wink", offered a seat and asked to present something which he had made.


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