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Demonstrators attack police in Boston
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:
In what way is that tweet 'flopping'?


They were "anti-police agitators" a little while ago and violent alt left gangs with clubs of bigotry a week ago.

Now they're praiseworthy for standing up to the very thing he himself couldn't?

Better make up your mind before Trump changes it again. -.-





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The US seems sort of weird. Free speech means some people can hold a rally while others can't because they are fascists? I'm not a fascist, hate speech and Nazism is wrong but it seems very hypocritical of people to attack people for exercising there right to free speech while seeming to whine so much about how they are being oppressed.

I thought it was you can say what you like but you can't do what you like or verbally attack people. The US is an odd bunch.
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The police commissioner said in a statement not too long ago that of the roughly forty thousand people there, about 30 had to be arrested, mostly for disorderly but with a couple assault & batteries. There were also no deaths or significant injuries being reported.
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They were "anti-police agitators" a little while ago and violent alt left gangs with clubs of bigotry a week ago.





Because there were anti police agitators present. His tweet in no way shape or form implied everyone counter protesting was. And he said there were 'fine people' on both sides who weren't engaging in violence about Charlottesville.


Now they're praiseworthy for standing up to the very thing he himself couldn't?

CNN, is that you?



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The US seems sort of weird. Free speech means some people can hold a rally while others can't because they are fascists? I'm not a fascist, hate speech and Nazism is wrong but it seems very hypocritical of people to attack people for exercising there right to free speech while seeming to whine so much about how they are being oppressed.

I thought it was you can say what you like but you can't do what you like or verbally attack people. The US is an odd bunch.


Freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of the words you choose to use that freedom of speech for. This is not the government coming in to shut down this rally (which would be an infringement on our freedom of speech). These are people reacting negatively to the hate these people choose to use their freedom of speech for. When you spew hate you have to expect these kinds of reactions from people.

Basically, these white supremacists are hiding behind the 1st amendment and trying to use it as a weapon in their fight against equality. No one is suppressing their freedom of speech. They're protesting their message, not the freedom of speech they're using to spread that message.
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Being part of something does not make it the whole. Sitting under a banner of "free speech" while spewing hate speech doesn't make criticisms of that hate speech into criticisms of free speech.
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Freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of the words you choose to use that freedom of speech for.


Being outraged doesn't protect you from the consequences of your actions.
Look up what happened in Greensboro North Carolina on November 3, 1979. Five commies thought they could attack people with deadly weapons with no consequences. They were wrong, and all their victims walked because it was self defense.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes I guess.

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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


DrunkKanti wrote:

Freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of the words you choose to use that freedom of speech for.


Being outraged doesn't protect you from the consequences of your actions.
Look up what happened in Greensboro North Carolina on November 3, 1979. Five commies thought they could attack people with deadly weapons with no consequences. They were wrong, and all their victims walked because it was self defense.


Yeah, and the people reacting with violence should be arrested for assault, but throwing plastic bottles of piss at people is hardly the same as attacking people with a deadly weapon or say... I don't know... driving a car through a crowd of people, killing 1 and injuring 19 others (oh but that was self-defense wasn't it? ).


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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes I guess.

Yeah, like a plastic bottle of piss in your face.
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Yeah, like a platic bottle of piss in your face.


Throwing unknown liquids in people's faces sounds like a good way to get Zimzammed. Especially in this day and age when vitriol attacks are so common.
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Conflation with the Charlottesville rally last week, people protest a "free speech rally" when "free speech" is just a pseudonym for hate speech.

Free Speech is meant to open a dialog. A foreign concept to most far-leftists.
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John Medlar, the 23-year-old Boston “Free Speech” rally organizer and a student at Fitchburg State University in central Massachusetts, said the event was organized by a “bunch of guys on the internet” who shared a concern that free speech was being tamped down on college campuses.
He said that since Charlottesville, some white nationalists have attempted to co-opt the Boston event. “We’ve seen some activity on social media,” he said. “We don’t trust their motives—we see themselves as trying to insert themselves into this.”
To maintain control, he said the group explicitly asked a local white nationalist group not to come, has shortened the event and has told people that such symbols as the Confederate flag or Nazi regalia aren’t welcome. He said the event would begin with a moment of silence for Heather Heyer, the 32-year-old paralegal who was killed when a man rammed a car into her and others protesting the white-supremacist gathering in Charlottesville.


Why would anyone protest a "free speech" rally? And how did free speech on campus become equated with "racism and hatred" in the minds of the politically left-of-center that they feel compelled to protest it? Democrats haven't been this upset since their slaves got taken away.


SO if I choose to talk about rallying those to ISIS, and other terrorist cells you'd let me have public ground to speak on? Mind you 9/11 is nothing compared to what nazi ideology has done. Is charles manson not in jail for but words? We don't allow freedom of speech to those who're criminals. Nazi ideology is a criminal mindset, thus should not be given a platform as per say ISIS member or any other faction that seeks to tear down their current government under the genocidal ideologies that they partake in.
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Free Speech is meant to open a dialog. A foreign concept to most far-leftists.


Way to demonstrate open dialogue by labeling a group as incapable of such?
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I don't know what else i expected out of this.
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SO if I choose to talk about rallying those to ISIS, and other terrorist cells you'd let me have public ground to speak on?


They do in France and the UK, so why not? Good honeypot I guess.




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qwueri wrote:


DengekiFugu wrote:

Free Speech is meant to open a dialog. A foreign concept to most far-leftists.


Way to demonstrate open dialogue by labeling a group as incapable of such?

They've earned the label through their behavior.
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