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How do you check if something have consciousness? When it moves
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I am not sure what to say here. Do you mean conscious as in the medical way or consciousness as an awareness of what is good and what is wrong?
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Ask it if it wants to be your waifu, if it denies you, it's a conscious being
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fredreload wrote:

How do you check if something have consciousness? When it moves


Exactly.
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Lotttie wrote:


fredreload wrote:

How do you check if something have consciousness? When it moves


Exactly.


Makes you wonder about trees and plants, doesn't it
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:

Makes you wonder about trees and plants, doesn't it


Oh yeah.
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Alright, I am attempting to simulate the shape of space time.

To being with, I dunno if I should create a genetic algorithm on shape. Should I have a series of points or meshes that creates a ever changing shape.

Next, when the shape of space time is created. How do I test it? If I put a 3D sphere inside this space time shape, would it move? Or would it not since it has no mass.
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we don't understand human conciousness to start with so...
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we don't understand human conciousness to start with so...


Right well, I speculate that human consciousness require force, which is produced by static potassium and sodium ions interaction in the brain. Magnetic force and force of gravity is pretty much the same thing.

So to simulate a gravitational force inside a computer requires simulation of space time. Because force exists in the 3 dimensional world, therefore if this space time structure could be simulated inside a computer, you could simulate force and then consciousness.

But even then simulating an AI technically should not require simulation of consiousness. But running GA on even the standard cartesian plain could generate consciousness because they would generate an opposite structure of space time which in terms generate consciousness.

I am trying to avoid consciousness because a pure AI does not require consciousness to function. But even then I am not sure if an evolved AI would attempt to produce consciousness. This is out of my reach apparently.

Even then with GA we could run the entire earth's history in the matters of seconds, would that be an ethical thing to do?
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fredreload wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

we don't understand human conciousness to start with so...


Right well, I speculate that human consciousness require force, which is produced by static potassium and sodium ions interaction in the brain. Magnetic force and force of gravity is pretty much the same thing.

So to simulate a gravitational force inside a computer requires simulation of space time. Because force exists in the 3 dimensional world, therefore if this space time structure could be simulated inside a computer, you could simulate force and then consciousness.

But even then simulating an AI technically should not require simulation of consiousness. But running GA on even the standard cartesian plain could generate consciousness because they would generate an opposite structure of space time which in terms generate consciousness.

I am trying to avoid consciousness because a pure AI does not require consciousness to function. But even then I am not sure if an evolved AI would attempt to produce consciousness. This is out of my reach apparently.

Even then with GA we could run the entire earth's history in the matters of seconds, would that be an ethical thing to do?


Screw ethics just do whatever is my motto when it comes to science unless it endangers people
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Ryulightorb wrote:


fredreload wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

we don't understand human conciousness to start with so...


Right well, I speculate that human consciousness require force, which is produced by static potassium and sodium ions interaction in the brain. Magnetic force and force of gravity is pretty much the same thing.

So to simulate a gravitational force inside a computer requires simulation of space time. Because force exists in the 3 dimensional world, therefore if this space time structure could be simulated inside a computer, you could simulate force and then consciousness.

But even then simulating an AI technically should not require simulation of consiousness. But running GA on even the standard cartesian plain could generate consciousness because they would generate an opposite structure of space time which in terms generate consciousness.

I am trying to avoid consciousness because a pure AI does not require consciousness to function. But even then I am not sure if an evolved AI would attempt to produce consciousness. This is out of my reach apparently.

Even then with GA we could run the entire earth's history in the matters of seconds, would that be an ethical thing to do?


Screw ethics just do whatever is my motto when it comes to science unless it endangers people


You need to come up with a structure for space time though. I'm stuck

P.S The structure is continuous and different, correction it has a unit, but how is it continuous
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Am I the only one completely puzzled by what Fred is trying to say?
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:


Lotttie wrote:


fredreload wrote:

How do you check if something have consciousness? When it moves


Exactly.


Makes you wonder about trees and plants, doesn't it


They do move tho...they grow don't they? Also they move towards or away from light, and that's just what's visible.
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fredreload wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

we don't understand human conciousness to start with so...


Right well, I speculate that human consciousness require force, which is produced by static potassium and sodium ions interaction in the brain. Magnetic force and force of gravity is pretty much the same thing.

So to simulate a gravitational force inside a computer requires simulation of space time. Because force exists in the 3 dimensional world, therefore if this space time structure could be simulated inside a computer, you could simulate force and then consciousness.


Even with this, you just have a simulation of the interplay of forces in a computer. Determining if something is truly "conscious" or not is a whole different can of worms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness
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