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The belief that they are "left leaning". I was looking at news bias charts because I found a severe lack or reporting about this incident in other news sources that weren't Breitbart, Fox or Dangerous and found one from the Daily News New York and was wondering if they were left leaning or right leaning.

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This anti-antifa thing is just a right-wing talking point to equate racist right-wing nationalists with something on the left after Trump's base was found out to actually be racist right-wing nationalists. Antifa has been around for years (especially in Europe, where they fight Nazis in the streets) but had received no American media attention at all until now (the Trump campaign and presidency).
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The belief that they are "left leaning". I was looking at news bias charts because I found a severe lack or reporting about this incident in other news sources that weren't Breitbart, Fox or Dangerous and found one from the Daily News New York and was wondering if they were left leaning or right leaning.


I saw the story on a number of sites when I Googled it? Though Brietbart's froth was prominent, yes. Still, using the word "bash" isn't in and of itself bias. It was a bash after all. That said NY news sources are likely to lean left. Although I don't think one needs a political leaning of either way to deride people like Cernovich and his ilk. Dude's a nutjob arsehole after all. People like that drag down political discourse and taint whichever "side" they're on anyhow.




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This anti-antifa thing is just a right-wing talking point to equate racist right-wing nationalists with something on the left after Trump's base was found out to actually be racist right-wing nationalists. Antifa has been around for years (especially in Europe, where they fight Nazis in the streets) but had received no American media attention at all until now (the Trump campaign and presidency).


It isn't just a right-wing anything for anyone to disavow violent anarchist groups, never mind your oversimplification of politics. Next point; yes, Antifa didn't get attention until the Trump campaign, which coincides with when the American Antifa reared it's head. Groups like the American branch of Antifa won't make headlines when they aren't really doing anything, much less, will American media pay all that much attention to European news of the European Antifa. Counties pay more attention to media-worthy going-ons of their own people, is all.
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Let's get real. Left wing terrorism goes after politicians, authority, and power. Right wing does all those things, too, but they sure love to take complete innocents along for the ride. A lot of innocents. Mainly innocents.

Not that politicians, authority, and/or power can't be innocent, but innocents in this regard are literally people who have nothing to do with whatever their fight is.

Give me a call when some antifascist goes on a mass shooting.

Either way, terrorism is fucking stupid and is a game played by the lowest common denominator.


Like the Antifa that attacked a group with blunt weapons and knifes in Berkeley and left them bleeding on the streets from the blunt weapons, and small knife stabs.. good luck finding a left wing media source willing to report on it, but hay their is 100's of video's of the attacks online..
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Animebutler1 wrote:

This anti-antifa thing is just a right-wing talking point to equate racist right-wing nationalists with something on the left after Trump's base was found out to actually be racist right-wing nationalists. Antifa has been around for years (especially in Europe, where they fight Nazis in the streets) but had received no American media attention at all until now (the Trump campaign and presidency).


It isn't just a right-wing anything for anyone to disavow violent anarchist groups, never mind your oversimplification of politics. Next point; yes, Antifa didn't get attention until the Trump campaign, which coincides with when the American Antifa reared it's head. Groups like the American branch of Antifa won't make headlines when they aren't really doing anything, much less, will American media pay all that much attention to European news of the European Antifa. Counties pay more attention to media-worthy going-ons of their own people, is all.


The "American" Antifascist movement has existed as long as the "European" Antifascist movement. You just didn't know it, because Fox News and right-wing forums weren't using them as a talking point. They are made up of people that oppose Fascism and organized bigotry. That they will actually clash with Nazis doesn't make them Anarchists, it means that they aren't going to run away or turn the other cheek to dangerous psychopaths who intend to beat them to death. The right isn't used to the left fighting back, which is what is "triggering" so many "alt" right. They are used to walking right over them.

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Cathugud wrote:
The belief that they are "left leaning". I was looking at news bias charts because I found a severe lack or reporting about this incident in other news sources that weren't Breitbart, Fox or Dangerous and found one from the Daily News New York and was wondering if they were left leaning or right leaning.


I saw the story on a number of sites when I Googled it? Though Brietbart's froth was prominent, yes. Still, using the word "bash" isn't in and of itself bias. It was a bash after all. That said NY news sources are likely to lean left. Although I don't think one needs a political leaning of either way to deride people like Cernovich and his ilk. Dude's a nutjob arsehole after all. People like that drag down political discourse and taint whichever "side" they're on anyhow.




The key word wasn't "bash" in this instance. Bash correctly identifies the nature of the event. Unless "bash" no longer can contextually mean party or celebration. The key word or phrase was "alt right".
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/nyc-alt-right-event-turns-violent-protester-slugs-partygoer-article-1.3769023

Sourced from the most "left leaning" publication that reported the incident I can find. The fact that they reported this as an "alt-right bash" confirms this belief.
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Cathugud wrote:
The key word wasn't "bash" in this instance. Bash correctly identifies the nature of the event. Unless "bash" no longer can contextually mean party or celebration. The key word or phrase was "alt right".


You're saying it wasn't an alt right bash? The speaker list looks pretty alt right to me despite Breitbart trying to spin it as the "New Right" now. It was hosted by Cernovich and had Molyneux, MacInnes and even Infowars on the speaker list.

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Let's get real. Left wing terrorism goes after politicians, authority, and power. Right wing does all those things, too, but they sure love to take complete innocents along for the ride. A lot of innocents. Mainly innocents.

Not that politicians, authority, and/or power can't be innocent, but innocents in this regard are literally people who have nothing to do with whatever their fight is.

Give me a call when some antifascist goes on a mass shooting.

Either way, terrorism is fucking stupid and is a game played by the lowest common denominator.
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LakeJucas wrote:

Let's get real. Left wing terrorism goes after politicians, authority, and power. Right wing does all those things, too, but they sure love to take complete innocents along for the ride. A lot of innocents. Mainly innocents.

Not that politicians, authority, and/or power can't be innocent, but innocents in this regard are literally people who have nothing to do with whatever their fight is.

Give me a call when some antifascist goes on a mass shooting.

Either way, terrorism is fucking stupid and is a game played by the lowest common denominator.


Like the Antifa that attacked a group with blunt weapons and knifes in Berkeley and left them bleeding on the streets from the blunt weapons, and small knife stabs.. good luck finding a left wing media source willing to report on it, but hay their is 100's of video's of the attacks online..


I say call me when an antifascist goes on a mass shooting and you pretty much listed everything other than a mass shooting, much less a killing.

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Cathugud wrote:
The key word wasn't "bash" in this instance. Bash correctly identifies the nature of the event. Unless "bash" no longer can contextually mean party or celebration. The key word or phrase was "alt right".


You're saying it wasn't an alt right bash? The speaker list looks pretty alt right to me despite Breitbart trying to spin it as the "New Right" now. It was hosted by Cernovich and had Molyneux, MacInnes and even Infowars on the speaker list.



"Stefan Molyneux, Gavin McInnes, Mike Cernovich" Are some examples of people I can find but no I wouldn't say this was an alt right bash. Cernovich, MacInnes and even Infowars don't profess to be Alt Right. I believe Cernovich used to ride with the gig until he found out what the Alt Right actually was. I can find you the video if you want. Stefan Molyneux has been edging on Alt Right views with some of his content I believe but he still hasn't made that leap.
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Cathugud wrote:
"Stefan Molyneux, Gavin McInnes, Mike Cernovich" Are some examples of people I can find but no I wouldn't say this was an alt right bash. Cernovich, MacInnes and even Infowars don't profess to be Alt Right. I believe Cernovich used to ride with the gig until he found out what the Alt Right actually was. I can find you the video if you want. Stefan Molyneux has been edging on Alt Right views with some of his content I believe but he still hasn't made that leap.


Cernovich did eventually bail on the alt right after accusing them of being against Trump ( >.> ) and declaring the alt right was nothing but Nazis. So he said anyhow. It's still pretty if it quacks like a duck territory though given that he's onboard with everything else the alt right does short of the Nazi salutes. As for Gavin, aside from encompassing some of the misogyny of the alt right remember that Based Stickman and his Alt-Knights are part of Gavin's group. As for Molyneux, well, he was the cult leader one as I recall. Grade A human beings all around before you even get into Infowars and co.

However, I think this is a case where there's too many overlapping spheres as to what constitutes alt right, new right and far right at this point. Infowars may not be on board with the white supremacists of the alt right, but they certainly peddle in their conspiracy theories. The "new right" might not be throwing nazi salutes but its still xenophobic, anti-immigration and peddling in the same conspiracy theories and events as the alt right. If the only technical difference they can find between themselves is who is and is not wearing a Nazi uniform that doesn't say much.

So I'll give said left leaning publication a pass on this one until the various rights figure out themselves what they are.

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janet napolitano? I know that name!! wasn't she the former governor of Arizona ? secretary of defense or something . She is going places all right

I assure you... in the next 10-25 years they will claim Antifa was a right wing extremist group---


Yes. The former AZ governor- US secretary of homeland security
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Napolitano



as I'm reading through the wiki page .. i can see how she ended up with Berkely
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well proof atifa fu#ked over more people.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8D8ct2Lq5E
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well proof atifa fu#ked over more people.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8D8ct2Lq5E


Why did you resurrect this thread to add that?

Now, for the dreaded context: This guy is a far right white nationalist and bonafide facist ( he is a former member of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party ) from the UK. He is not Mr Innocent Face I don't know why people don't like me. He's virulently racist and a raging bigot. Like "Geez, dude" level racist. Like "Muslim Rape Cake" level bigot ( as in he literally baked a Muslim rape cake as an election stunt ). He is an all around miserable asshole and is to the far right what he claims Antifa is to the far left.

He's also known as an unrepentant liar, so take anything he says with a grain of salt on top of all of that.

Now, all that said, I have trouble believing it's false "Antifa tips" keeping him out of Trump's America. Nevermind something with the DOJ under Jeff Sessions. Dude should be right up Trump's alley. -.-



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